Audio clip 2 from interview with Ruth Urban, August 24, 2015 and September 16, 2015

So you were president of Jewish Family Services, which is a nice segue to talk about that. What year were you president? I knew you were going to ask me that. That had to be like '81 or '82. I was a founding board member of Jewish Family Services and sort of ended up by default as the president because the president at the time had some other commitments and she had to step down. So they sort of pointed the finger at me and said, "We want you to fulfill that term." And then I served another term after that. What is the role and function of Family Services and the president? Tell me what we should know about that. Jewish Family Services went through quite a lot. It was in their infancy when I was the president. Maybe it had existed a couple of years before then, so it was really having a lot of growing pains. I remember at the time we didn't have much support from...There weren't as many rabbis then than there are now involved in the community. We had support from Rabbi Hecht when he wa